Explore sample content below to see what you're missing. Zorn's playing career fizzled out soon after Krieg took his job. In reply to "The Unholy Trinity" as I've by Joe Pancake. In reply to "I'm left struggling with by Joe Pancake. David Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). Which just tells you that there were a lot of excellent QBs at that time. The Seahawks lost 15-3 to the Giants (Stouffer fumbled out of the back of the end zone) and 41-14 to the Broncos. Kramer suffered a back injury, and Krieg went on to start 12 games. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. (The two papers merged after the 1992 Pittsburgh newspaper strike.) My parents used to tape the games and send them to me so I could see my team play. But Patera did release Sam McCullum, a productive veteran receiver who also happened to be the Seahawks' union rep. Legal actions ensued. Considering retirement after I was informed the football will be slipping out of my tiny hands. In reply to We're talking about this in by Mike Tanier. Yes, that one season was pretty extraordinary, but he's going to have to wait for Mike to write a series of "One Hit Wonders" articles. Krieg threw 32 touchdown passes, earned a Pro Bowl berth behind Marino, and finished seventh in DVOA and eighth in DYAR despite a league-high 24 interceptions. Mitchell finished 25th in DVOA and 26th in DYAR. However, Krieg's pedestrian performance on the road in the playoffs contributed to the Seahawks' swift elimination at the hands of the top-seeded Cincinnati Bengals. Knox replaced Krieg with Jim Zorn to finish out the game as the visiting Seahawks lost to the Raiders, who went on to win Super Bowl XVIII. That quote would have kept the midday sport talk industry busy for a month if the industry existed back then. One footnote: Gale Gilbert has one other distinction other than being awful - being on the roster for five straight Super Bowl losses. Moreover, his steady play helped the Seahawks eliminate the reigning Super Bowl champion Raiders in a wild card showdown in the Kingdome. It's a matter of doing what's right (for the team). Dave Krieg. ', and I said, 'I guess I do now.'". WebPeople named Dave Krieg. In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seattle Seahawks (19801991), the Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), the Detroit BackCAST 2023: Is Zach Charbonnet Overrated? Great stuff. Anyway, the Seahawks traded three draft picks, including a 1989 first-rounder, for the rights to Stouffer. See Photos. The Seahawks finished 7-9 in 1991, and everyone, including new owner Ken Behring, finally grew tired of having the same mediocre season with the same old-school coach and three quarterbacks over and over again. Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. And as is the norm with all the draft pundits and analysts and supposed professional scouts, this is somehow a significant point of contention when projecting Picketts career. Krieg Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. General manager Mike McCormack took over as head coach and reinstated Zorn when play resumed in November. For a guy with a Super Bowl MVP, an MVP, and 151 touchdown passes to his name, Mahomes, believe it or not, has some of the NFLs smallest hands. However, he faltered in midseason, so Coach Knox benched him in favor of Gale Gilbert. Were supposed to forgetor even simply sidelinethoughts of how accurate of a passer a person is or how well they do under pressure. In the wild-card round of the playoffs, when the Chiefs hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers, an injured Montana briefly left the game. Fortunately the rest of my team was stacked. Small hands. But this was long before the era when NFL scouts effectively beat the deep bushes, or when film of NAIA quarterbacks was readily available on YouTube or Hudl for any deep-diving draftnik. Tiny hands! Went to the now-defunct Milton College. The first is that his name really is Krieg's leadership helped the Seahawks compile a respectable 97 record in 1990, but they again missed the playoffs. I always enjoyed watching Krieg. The Chiefs lost 30-13. Moreover, Krieg's leadership rallied the Lions to a 5-2 regular season finish and a wild card playoff berth. See Photos. WebInterestingly, his span is a whopping 17.6% wider than Anthony Davis' despite being nine inches shorter. Nice to see DVOA back up these intuitions. He was benched after throwing four interceptions against the Chiefs the following week; rookie backup Gale Gilbert came on and threw a fifth. Krieg said Patera wouldn't allow players to drink water during 90-degree training camp two-a-days, which wasn't that unusual back then. After hovering around .500 forever for Knox and playing for Schottenheimer and Ryan, Krieg was destined to end up with Fisher. Zorn played adequately to start the season, then slowly fell off a cliff. I may do it next offseason! or. Then a strike erased two months. Like Steve Young, his powers increased after escaping the Hugh Culverhouse Bucs, much like Superman getting away from Krypton's red dwarf star. The Seahawks went 2-1 in replacement games, in part because Largent and a few others crossed the picket lines. They somehow (read:Cortez Kennedy) won two games, one of which was against the 1-15 Patriots, so the Pats got local heroDrew Bledsoe #1 in the draftand the Seahawks got Rick Mirer at #2. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. Searching for contemporary comparisons for Krieg may be missing the point, however. WebDave Krieg was probably the 12th best QB in the NFL in his era behind Montana, Elway, Marino, Kelly, Moon, Esiason, Kosar, OBrien, Simms, Lomax, and Cunningham. WebThe idea is that small hands mean youre more likely to fumble when hit or lose your grip on the ball when passing in bad weather. Another high first-rounder (who was at least good in college) McGwire managed 3 INTs and 3 sacks (0 TDs) in his only start of the season. Mind you, thats without an offensive line. "He's a streak passer, and when he's on a hot streak, it's hard to get him out of that rhythm.". And Krieg, the team's starter for a decade, was exposed to Plan B free agency, the rough 1980s equivalent of being a June 1 cap casualty. Jeff Hostetler signed with the Raiders at the same time Mitchell signed with the Lions, and he kind of worked out okay (didn't light the world on fire stats-wise, but did make a Pro Bowl and won a lot of games as a starter). As an aside, I won a FF championship with him as my starter for half a season during his Chicago year. But he barely played in Tennessee and retired after the 1998 season. Having lived near the Seattle mediasphere during Krieg's reign I really liked this piece. The time before the 1987 strike was, not coincidentally, an era of epic holdouts. WebClick the graphic to view Dave Krieg's video and to find out about his involvement and appearances with the NFL's Health and Wellness Program. I saw one of those Top 10 Busts or some such show where one player was saying that Mirer was done as soon as they figured out he wouldn't or couldn't throw to his right or his left, I can't remember which any more. Even though he wasn't playing by the time the Once he became a starter, he was never not above average, usually well above average, except in a year where he couldn't get to 200 attempts due to injury. "You really don't like to play musical chairs with your quarterbacks at this point in the season but it's something we feel we have to do," Knox said. "[Krieg] got 21 points on the board for us," he said. His average-sized hands never betrayed him. WebQuarterback controversies! When I think of Dave Kreig, I always think of the 1985 Seahawks, the team that alternated four 2 game winning streaks with four 2 game losing streaks. Milton College closed in 1982, while Krieg was still dueling with Zorn. The other players profiled in this series had multiple seasons near the top of the DVOA leaderboards. But he has been the frontman for one of the NFLs more successful teams of late, and he does bring consistency to the table. Krieg posted a career of 98-77. Krieg backed up Zorn and Sam Adkins as an undrafted rookie. .or just me??? Smizik was often curmudgeonly in his writing. Thanks as always for the great write-up! Patera was fired near the start of the strike. See Photos. One blemish that somehow always appears around NFL Combine season is discussing a quarterbacks hand size. And instead, theres supposed to be a lot of weight placed on whether they can comfortably palm a football with one hand. Dave Krieg. He backed up Montana in San Francisco, Elway in Denver, Young in Tampa, and Marino in Miami. Veteran Jeff Kemp, who looked great when throwing to Largent against insurance salesmen in 1987, flopped in a one-game trial as the backup. He always seems to have a big play ready. His final completion was to Mike Archie, done in the final quarter. Use promo code, C.J. It was a callback to when Krieg replaced Zorn against the Steelers a decade earlier. Yep. My favorite Kelly Stouffer statline is from 1991. He also had 417 rushing attempts for 1,261 yards and 13 touchdowns and 3 pass receptions for 10 yards. Krieg has now been surpassed by both Brett Favre and Warren Moon for career fumbles. Fitzpatrick has never led a team to the playoffs; Krieg did it six times. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Responsible Gaming, Support Football Outsiders' independent media and Mike Tanier. With Seattle he was 70-49, Krieg also had six seasons where he lead his team to the playoffs and posted a playoff record of 3-6. And so a quarterback controversy was born. The Milton product's consistent play complemented the considerable talents of All-Pro wide receiver Steve Largent and Pro Bowl running back Curt Warner, allowing the Seahawks to make the playoffs for the first time in the team's eighth season. -Deberg, a decent QB in his own right, is the king of Hall of Fame backups. Please check your email for a confirmation. He was quite possibly the greatest "trick-or-treat" QB in NFL history. Statistically, the 1994 season was the best of Krieg's career: Krieg completed 61.8% of his passes and threw 14 touchdowns versus only 3 interceptions, for a passer rating of 101.7. The World League castoff Stan Gelbaugh was somehow the best QB on the roster (and he was god awful). Krieg came to rely on fullback John L. Williams after Largent retired that season. Knox returned to coach the Rams for three awful years before retiring. Have 5hoguht about book like that or. Terms apply, see operator site for Terms and Conditions. Krieg placed third overall, behind Willie Gault and Herschel Walker. Yet hes an elite quarterback anyway? Krieg's streaks, slumps, hoary feel-good story and late-career travels prompt comparisons to Fitzpatrick. He was the hottest thing on the planet in October of 93 as many believed Miami couldnt win a game without Marino. Dave Krieg played in 12 postseason games (9 as a starter), and completed 51.1 percent of his passes (144 for 282) for 1,895 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, 10 interceptions and a 70.86 rating. He wouldn't make his retirement official until 2000 after no takers emerged for his services. (Both teams finished 5th in their respective AFC divisions in 1980, so they played each other twice in 1981.) Recent and Trending topics from Football Outsiders. *DeBerg goes into coaching and becomes the Giants quarterbacks coach in 1995-1996; Reeves was the Giants' head coach and hired DeBerg. If Dave Krieg hadn't interfered in 1992, DeBerg would have been replaced by Montana a second time, this time with the Chiefs,in 1993. The annual offensive comas his teams lapsed into may well have been the result of outdated offenses, weak pass protection, and coaches who thought shuffling quarterbacks might provide a "spark" and that publicly negging their players would motivate them. "There isn't anything particularly outstanding I can tell you about Kelly Stouffer other than he has a good arm, he's tall, and he can move around pretty good," Knox said of the quarterback his team traded a first-round pick for. [4] He and Dave Kraayeveld (who also played for the Seahawks) are the only NFL players to have attended Milton College.[5]. Perhaps due to this increased competition, Krieg's consistency increased further in 1988. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. In the most memorable game of the season, on November 11, the Seahawks made their annual visit to Arrowhead Stadium, where they had not won since 1980. In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. In reply to Have for years merged Dave by MilkmanDanimal. Pickett, an otherwise accomplished college player, measured out with some of the smallest hands in Combine history at 8.5 inches. In fact, the media gushed over Krieg, and he was well-regarded (as I recall) among national fans. Something exciting or dreadful was going to happen, but it was always interesting. I know I am probably the oldest guy on here, so most of you kids probably don't even remember Krieg, but he was a damn good QB who was also underrated. Rhome told the press that Krieg "had nothing but a rifle for an arm" when the Seahawks decided to keep him, but he had since learned the position. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. Undrafted in 1980, Krieg tried out for the Seahawks and caught on as a third-string quarterback. However, Krieg still saw substantial action in 1993, relieving Montana in six games, and starting five games for the oft-injured Hall of Famer. Call the National Council on Problem Gambling 24/7 at 1-800-GAMBLER (NJ, OH), 1-800-522-4700 (CO), 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN). Patera was the only head coach in team history, and he led them to 9-7 records in 1978 and 1979. But I guess his tinier hands matter more, somewhere, apparently. We should ask Bears legend Russell Wilson. DeBerg was actually a pretty decent NFL QB for much of his career, but was always getting replaced by someone who was better or expected to be (and ultimately was) better - Joe Montana, John Elway, Steve Young. Despite Krieg's solid play, the visiting Lions lost narrowly to the Green Bay Packers in the first round of the playoffs. Even when the young starter played poorly,[33] coach Jeff Fisher declined to insert Krieg. In light of that, as well as everything else, we made the change.". Mirer and Bledsoe shared Rookie of the Year honors. "[36], Later that month, the Jacksonville Jaguars knocked McNair out of a game, but Krieg's comeback effort failed. Does anyone else question Geno's leadership and accountability cred? Ranch in Flint Hills of Kansas, formerly NW Montan. In reply to Lol. Keenum, on the other hand, has a grand total ofoneseason (2017) where his passing DVOA wasn't below average or worse. He passed away in 2018. In the year's first game, a knee injury sidelined the Seahawks' star running back Curt Warner for the rest of the season, forcing Coach Knox to discard his run-oriented "Ground Chuck" offense and adopt a new, more pass-intensive philosophy "Air Knox." [32], Dave Krieg finished his career with the Tennessee Oilers, backing up the seldom-injured Steve McNair in 1997 and 1998. I think DeBerg, who had been an assistant coach with the Giants for a couple years between 1994 and 1997, was signed by the Falcons because their top two quarterbacks went down and he had a long-time relationship with Falcons head coach Dan Reeves: *DeBerg drafted by the Cowboys in the 10th round in 1977 though cut before the season; Reeves was a Cowboys assistant coach at the time under Tom Landry. I have actually walked on the campus of MILTON, not Ripon college, as well as Alma College in Michigan when my late father suggested that, just to be sure, should also look at small colleges not just the big land grant State schools. At that time, what was right was letting Dave stay in. In reply to Pretty sure he was making fun of by paytonrules. Oh, and he has the smallest hands among all current NFL starting quarterbacks. Although Kramer's poor play contributed to the Bears' feeble 13 beginning, Coach Dave Wannstedt allowed him to continue starting until an injury sidelined him for the remainder of the season. When injuries sidelined Jim Zorn late in the season, Krieg started the last three games and played well, helping the team record two of its six wins that year. He was the Seahawks quarterback coach for many years, had an ill-fated stint as head coach in Washington, and was last seen coaching the Seattle Dragons of the XFL. I loaded up a video of the 1984 Seahawks' Week 13 victory over the Broncos to watch as part of my prep for this article. Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. (I'm sure it was interesting if/when Lyle Alzado sacked Krieg; it was one alumnus of a defunct college (Yankton College in Alzado's case) sacking another alumnus of a defunct college. Scott Mitchell was the poster boy for falling in love with small sample sizes. That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. Be sure to comply with laws applicable where you reside. Together, Montana and Krieg led the Chiefs to an 115 record and an AFC West Championship. You would think that that wouldve precluded Brady from throwing 624 touchdowns and winning seven Super Bowls somewhere along the way. Steelers, Rams Set Offensive Line Continuity Records, XFL Week 7 Preview: St. Louis, Houston Scrap for Second, Most Overvalued Players in a 2023 Fantasy Football Draft, Rams Limp to the Front of 2022's DVOA Underachievers, XFL Week 6 Review: D.C.
